decimated al qaeda, and leaders saying al qaeda seems to be okay even though bin laden is dead, they're still out there and all of these sympathizers. >> yes, the arab spring is almost two years in the making and it's been a complicated process. if al-qaeda, the full extent of it's ability to attack the united states, killing four americans, in countries -- many countries in the middle east where these kinds of activities are happening, it's not a very good score for al qaeda. they were not a -- it was an easy target, it was overrun. so i don't think you can say al-qaeda is back. they managed to attack and kill four americans in the middle eastern country. you know, certainly, it's worrisome, but it doesn't mean that al qaeda in any way reestablished itself. >> peter, thanks very much, fran, thanks to you as well. they lead some of the countries biggest companies, and they just wrapped up a major meeting at the white house about the so called fiscal cliff, they met with the president, we'll find out what they talked about the. the ceo of goldman sachs is here. . one expert tell lgs us w